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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 12:54:10 GMT -8
As far as I know, Siino does not spend enough time in Vent to have a clear understanding of the problem. I am afraid, someone has whined about some 'drama and shit' and what we have is a knee jerk reaction. Openness of recruiting means we get occasional retard. Can I solve my problem with that person by calling them a retard? Will that make everything better? Oh, you're asking because you hold back the rest of the time? Heh. Come on, Azazel. WTF. I really cannot believe that you guys are having a problem with us asking you to USE VENT CHANNELS FOR THEIR INTENDED PURPOSE and throwing up stupid arguments against it like entitled children. They were being misused, rules happened. Get the fuck over it. Honestly, that's what happens in General Chat anyway when someone isn't liked, so I don't know why you'd act like that is some novel approach to "getting rid of a retard". You guys are seriously brutal assholes to people every day, and I'm in vent daily to hear it. What should we call you to make everything all better? Seriously... We have answered as plainly and simply as possible, and I cannot fathom why you insist on pushing this. Any further responses of this type will just be ignored (by me at least), as they have already been addressed. Edited to add: though I have a feeling that if you keep arguing just to argue a less benevolent response might present itself from others.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 13:26:56 GMT -8
To the rest of you who are asking genuine questions about Vent channel use: - If you are on an Operations Team, and that Team is running an Operation, planning an operation, or discussing raid team business - it is perfectly acceptable to use the raid team's channel to do this away from the chatter of General. When that operation or team business is completed, we would ask that you return to General, log off of Vent, or otherwise go about your business.
- If you are forming up a guild group to run an operation, FP, PvP, Starfighter, Heroics, World Bosses, or any other group content you should feel free to use an Ops or PvP channel to communicate with those in your group without disrupting General Channel chat, or being disrupted by the same.
- If you are having a lengthy discussion that disrupts or disturbs other chat in the General Channel, it is okay to take it to another channel until that discussion is over with so as not to be forced to talk over each other and cause issues.
This is all SUPER common sense. We are not on some witch hunt with these rules and looking to punish people at the slightest provocation. I didn't think it would take explaining common sense, but here we are... just use the channels for their intended use, if you are not doing anything but hanging around - do it with the rest of us in General Chat. Do these things and there will not ever be an issue unless you are spamming TTS or something like that (which we will deal with, trust me... it annoys us as much as it does you guys). As to them being enforced? Yes, it is absolutely something we can enforce, if you insist. Just don't insist or test us, please. None of us enjoys spending our free time dealing with bullshit. It's blatantly obvious when people are sitting in a "Ranked PvP" channel but not engaging in Ranked PvP, or Ops channels with 2 individuals in them for the duration of their time in Vent (for hours upon hours) that this is misuse of channels and we will enforce it if we have to... but why would you make us have to do that? Be at the level of a school child who accepts that there are rules in the world and just cooperate. Life will be a lot easier for all of us if you do that one thing and sprinkle a little common sense on top.
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Post by Sin on Jul 23, 2017 15:26:05 GMT -8
As far as I know, Siino does not spend enough time in Vent to have a clear understanding of the problem. I am afraid, someone has whined about some 'drama and shit' and what we have is a knee jerk reaction. Openness of recruiting means we get occasional retard. Can I solve my problem with that person by calling them a retard? Will that make everything better? I have over 30 eyes + ears in Ventrilo, while you have just your own 2. Every little problem on Ventrilo gets reported back to me, none of it to you. Are you even aware that YOU are one of those "retards" that guildies avoid and talk shit about? Drunken Azazel going on an endless rant/wiping ops/arguing with someone again = extremely irritated guildies. I most definitely understand the problem, clearly better than you do or you wouldn't be speaking out against something that actually helps you personally.
I think my staff have covered all other points, so I'm not gonna bother repeating. However, I'd like to point out that the very first paragraph in this thread states that these rules are non-negotiable. What part of that shit makes you guys think it's okay to negotiate with me? Most of you have no idea what the hell has even been going on to cause these rules. None of you have to deal with the fallout from all the bullshit that's been happening. Most of you have never paid a single cent towards our Ventrilo costs. None of you are submitting staff applications to truly make a difference. So what the fuck gives you the right to negotiate about these Ventrilo rules? Nothing does. reeding iz hurd so I'm locking this thread.
One final point: These rules MIGHT change one day. They might even go away entirely. But that will happen because you guys demonstrated you could be mature and responsible enough to prove that they're not needed. It sure as fuck won't be because entitled guildies think they get to defy rules they personally disagree with.
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