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Post by maui on Jul 22, 2017 8:21:26 GMT -8
Thanks for the update and grats to the guild! Seriously, having so many people in vent rules are needed is pretty much a First World Problem for guilds. I mostly play during non-peak hours, so none of these rules seem overly restrictive - although it may be worth while to experiment with having a slightly quieter "LFG" kind of channel. Some people are more extroverted than others and like to chat nonstop, which is fine... it's vent and people are there to communicate. However, other people may want quieter gaming time, but would choose to be in vent in case groups are forming up for FPs, PVP or raids. Having a quiet channel that signals they are on the bench for group content might alleviate some stress? I like that idea. I know some people prefer quiet. I try not to be too chatty but sometimes, I'm just in the mood to shoot the breeze ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) . And after all, when I actually did get in trouble in school (which wasn't all that often) it was ALWAYS for talking when I wasn't supposed to.
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Post by Sin on Jul 22, 2017 9:05:22 GMT -8
If you guys have a problem with the new channel rules, you can blame all the shitters who abused channels and ruined it for the rest of you. We do NOT pay for Ventrilo so you guys can undermine or avoid the guild, secretly talk shit about fellow guildies and staff, engage in strange and dramatic love triangles, or any other fucked up problematic shit that's been happening lately. We pay for Vent so guildies can simply hang out, get to know eachother, and communicate while running content. Simple.
However, far too many people believe it's their fucking duty to cause drama and toxicity on there. Even after repeated warnings, this shit continues and escalates, so these are the consequences for that behavior. Having a drama-free voice server is more important than your fucking quiet time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 13:25:00 GMT -8
I think a lot of people forget that there is a way to get into groups without having to listen to the chatter of Vent... it's called the game. The /BBB channel is a way to contact TONS of guildies who aren't even in vent in the first place. The game is the reason we even have a voice server. It is there to enhance the game, not distract from it... and far too often it does the opposite of it's intended purpose. People tunnel their attention to chit chatting, especially while RUNNING content and pay no attention to people asking for groups/help/staff assistance in the very game that caused the Vent server to exist in the first place. Pay attention to what is going on in the game... and if you are in a group that is using vent to help facilitate running that content, then log into Vent. If you don't like or feel comfortable socializing with people, then don't log into Vent and just chat in the game at your own convenience. It's really simple. We want people to enjoy their experience in the guild and in the game... and the Vent server is there to enhance that. If it doesn't work that way for you, then it's pretty simple to just not use it. We have tried to encourage vent use in our members because it DOES help us get to know you better. It's just unfortunate that getting to know some of you and the way people have behaved has resulted in needing more rules. But that's humanity. Not to mention that there is a history of clusters of people using the Vent for their own personal vendettas, dramas, and other bullshit... as mentioned by Sin. Many of the originators (from early in my tenure in the guild, at least) now reside on The Shit List. Almost all of them at one point in time were on the staff here, didn't get their way or didn't like something, and chose to act like little children to solve the problem - using our vent server to stage drama and undermine the guild and the other staff members and officers. They separated themselves in "private" channels, talked shit about things they didn't like when they didn't get their way, and thought it was okay to constantly separate themselves from the rest of the guild on a server that WE PAY FOR. Enough is enough. The vent server is there to enhance what is happening in the game. The guild exists in the game, not in Vent. Vent is just a tool to communicate with each other while we play the game and make it easier to do so. The social component is great for those of us who like to be social, but it is not a requirement. Use it when it suits the purpose. Use it for it's intended purpose. Do those two things and it will never be an issue.
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Post by Raynzel Zambedos on Jul 22, 2017 23:05:22 GMT -8
Thanks for the update and grats to the guild! Seriously, having so many people in vent rules are needed is pretty much a First World Problem for guilds. I mostly play during non-peak hours, so none of these rules seem overly restrictive - although it may be worth while to experiment with having a slightly quieter "LFG" kind of channel. Some people are more extroverted than others and like to chat nonstop, which is fine... it's vent and people are there to communicate. However, other people may want quieter gaming time, but would choose to be in vent in case groups are forming up for FPs, PVP or raids. Having a quiet channel that signals they are on the bench for group content might alleviate some stress? This would be awesome. I hang out in lobby with basically this intention a lot of times, often while watching youtube on a second screen and doing random stuff, but still want to be on in case anyone wants to message me about doing a lockout or subbing for a raid etc. If you see me hop up there there, its astronomically more likely that I just saw an interesting youtube video than anything drama related. Plus, Vent has an advantage to forming groups: It's cross faction.
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Post by var on Jul 23, 2017 6:54:46 GMT -8
Can we place a rule to limit amount of gibberish spamming/registered trademark spamming in chat. We get it ...you're a bad ass troll. Its annoying. I second this sentiment. Vent has to be shut down to stop the spam. Some of us are prone to crippling migraines. The helicopter is cool. I get it. The behavior these rules are meant to stop is unacceptable. But we must remember that they are meant to stop this behavior on the grade scale and small scale groupings in channels away from the rest of us seems to be okay for short periods. No ones needs to hear the discussions of a raid team working out internal matters between them. People getting and receiving advice about their class or content do not need to do so over the chatter of the rest of us. And the guild does not want to be board with the details of event planning. To those that want to hang out in their own private channels all day and not socialize with the rest of the guild, why did you sign into vent if you just want to be left alone? The point of the rules is to make the vent experience better for every one.
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Post by var on Jul 23, 2017 7:27:39 GMT -8
does this mean that the raid team channel for the raid team I'm in cannot be used outside of raid hours? If you're not raiding with your raid team, you really have no reason to be in your raid team's channel. We didn't create raid channels as some kind of personal safe space. We created them so you can raid in peace without members interfering/distracting. That is literally their only purpose. Also, we'll consider rules about TTS spam. I mentioned in the previous post about short term groupings and feel that this answer to Ashtorraa should be revised. No, raid teams should not hang out in their channels all day, but short sessions to discuss raid business between raid days is a good reason to be in the channel. No one needs to hear the processes of choosing between TFB and Ravagers.
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Post by Nunya on Jul 23, 2017 8:20:17 GMT -8
I know I have been away for some time, but after being back for a day I have seen and heard while in vent that people ask for some help with some stuff like gearing or whatever. Could you please take that to another room to help them with that cause it takes away from people trying to talk?
I understand that you want people not to hide in rooms away from people but you have to understand its for reasons like that, that make people either want to go to a different room to get away from it or you are going to have people only logging into vent for certain things or times (i.e. commander runs, raids, lockouts, events, or whatever).
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Post by Eretai on Jul 23, 2017 9:48:33 GMT -8
If you're not raiding with your raid team, you really have no reason to be in your raid team's channel. We didn't create raid channels as some kind of personal safe space. We created them so you can raid in peace without members interfering/distracting. That is literally their only purpose. Also, we'll consider rules about TTS spam. I mentioned in the previous post about short term groupings and feel that this answer to Ashtorraa should be revised. No, raid teams should not hang out in their channels all day, but short sessions to discuss raid business between raid days is a good reason to be in the channel. No one needs to hear the processes of choosing between TFB and Ravagers. I recommend the forums for these discussions, that's why they are there. There's a neat polling feature i used last time for people to decide what they wanted to do.
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Post by Midlithe on Jul 23, 2017 10:11:39 GMT -8
What if you have a Guild group doing OPS (Not raid group) or even grouping up to do Heroics or Flashpoints.
Any reason why we can't hop to an open OPS channel and then back when done?
Don't want to break the rules, but having a group talking over others in General is hectic.
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Post by Azazel on Jul 23, 2017 10:38:54 GMT -8
As far as I know, Siino does not spend enough time in Vent to have a clear understanding of the problem. I am afraid, someone has whined about some 'drama and shit' and what we have is a knee jerk reaction. Openness of recruiting means we get occasional retard. Can I solve my problem with that person by calling them a retard? Will that make everything better?
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Post by OdoBuzz on Jul 23, 2017 11:00:22 GMT -8
What if you have a Guild group doing OPS (Not raid group) or even grouping up to do Heroics or Flashpoints. Any reason why we can't hop to an open OPS channel and then back when done? Don't want to break the rules, but having a group talking over others in General is hectic. Nope, no reason at all, in fact, we all do this now, and encourage it As far as I know, Siino does not spend enough time in Vent to have a clear understanding of the problem. I am afraid, someone has whined about some 'drama and shit' and what we have is a knee jerk reaction. Openness of recruiting means we get occasional retard. Can I solve my problem with that person by calling them a retard? Will that make everything better? Wow, just wow...
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Post by Eretai on Jul 23, 2017 11:22:15 GMT -8
What if you have a Guild group doing OPS (Not raid group) or even grouping up to do Heroics or Flashpoints. Any reason why we can't hop to an open OPS channel and then back when done? Don't want to break the rules, but having a group talking over others in General is hectic. The entire point of these rules is to make sure that channels are being used for what they were intended to be used for. OPS for OPS/FP Groups or heroics, PVP for PVP etc. etc. No one will ding you for using channels for what they were made for.
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Post by Azazel on Jul 23, 2017 11:24:12 GMT -8
Which is why these rules can not be enforced, you can join any channel for a group activity or to avoid someone.
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Post by Raynzel Zambedos on Jul 23, 2017 12:06:40 GMT -8
So given all that maybe we should have a class discussion channel. Though personally I like hearing random class advise. I might end up using it.
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Post by OdoBuzz on Jul 23, 2017 12:21:36 GMT -8
Using the various channels that we have to offer in Vent is GRRREAT! Disappearing in them for days, not returning to genchat, and creating clique that follow along this same path are not so great... Hence, the new rules...
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