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Post by Sin on Mar 20, 2017 16:52:35 GMT -8
CONQUEST RESULTS: MARCH 14 - 20 I was gonna post this big in-depth explanation of what exactly went wrong last week, but then I decided I shouldn't have to fucking repeat myself so much -- especially when 99% of you will ignore this like last time. So, if the data below is unclear to you, let me sum it up: Impside is selfish as hell and continually refuses to help pubside because [insert bullshit self-centered excuse here]. That's pretty much last week in a nutshell.
"I don't like to PvP" "Pubside is lame" "I don't need those titles though" "I'm not good/geared" "Officers can't tell me what to do" "I'd rather do [whatever else] instead" *straight up ignores requests for help*
Those are very common reactions we saw last week when we were begging our imp players to go pubside and help out. It disgusts me to think about how much time, effort, and money we sink into rewarding members who then turn around and spew bullshit excuses like that when we call on them to return the favor. BBB is great when it gives you millions of free credits, but when BBB asks you to do some pubside warzones it's not even worth your time? I feel like I've bred a guild of spoiled brats that feel like they never have to work for anything, just going with the flow so they can be rewarded for the hard work that others put in. It's pretty fucked up. We used to have EVERYONE pushing like a motherfucker, because that's the only way we could ever possibly win a planet. Nowadays there's so much self-centered laziness among the ranks, most likely due to all the easy wins we've had lately.This is a TEAM effort, which means EVERYONE has to be working together and working towards the same goal. All 6 BBB guilds are equally deserving of your attention, regardless of faction. We shouldn't even have to tell you to distribute points evenly, it should just get done. Look at the scoreboard and think before you earn, it's that easy. I really don't give a fuck what you do and don't like doing, where you do and don't like going, or who you do and don't like listening to. I'm not your friend, I'm your guild leader. When I tell you to move your ass pubside and help out, you have 2 options: Trust that I know what I'm doing, as I've spent the past 3 years building BBB up to what it is today, and just do as you're told for the good of the guild. OR, if that's too much to ask, just type /gquit and fuck off. Literally. Don't come back.Yes, that's harsh. Yes, some of you are gonna think "O NOEZ POWER TRIPPING!" No, I don't give a fuck. I've been pissing my actual real life away to provide all of you with the biggest, most successful conquest guild in the world. I've sacrificed so fucking much for this guild over the years, more than I'm even comfortable admitting to anyone, so excuse me for not caring if someone simply isn't a fan of PvP or some dumb shit like that. I value this little community of ours more than almost anything else I have and when you guys pull shit like this it makes me second-guess everything. I've given 3 years of my life to this guild, the least you can do is give it an hour -- even if it's spent doing something you don't like, such as PvPing on pubside.TL;DR: Triggered GM gives ultimatum - Be a team player or get the fuck out of my guild.
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Post by Tobi on Mar 20, 2017 16:59:57 GMT -8
Reposting from another thread just to further push the point made:
My entire problem, especially this week, is this idea that lets wait till the weekend to push conquest. NO. "Its early in the week, we don't have to panic yet, we will get them this weekend." NO. "I'm sure we will catch up this weekend when more people log in." NO.
Everyone, and I really do mean everyone is c o n s i s t e n t l y bitching at the officers and staff that we don't do enough as a guild. Wether its organizing pvp groups, or ops groups, DvL bosses, AT, etc. I personally, am constantly trying to organize things for our members just for shits and gigs, however I can't really organize things when we are losing in 3 out of 5 fucking guilds all week long because our members want to wait until the weekend to get their shit together to push CQ. Its really quite simple, we push early - Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and hopefully come Friday we are winning in every single guild invading that week enough to have time to do some runs of various thing, but I reiterate that WILL NOT happen if we keep this waiting attitude up.
Another thing that just triggers just about every officer, is when we are attempting to push CQ and we have groups recruiting over us for various non CQ shit. I couldn't careless about you wanting to run some shitter SM op when we again are losing in 3 out of 5 guilds. Its simple you are in a conquest guild, meaning we conquest, I got bitched at in the shoutbox this week because I said on numerous occasions in BBB chat that we can have fun when the work is done and I mean it. If you want to be in this guild I really need you to realize that. Conquest is what we do. If I am speaking frankly - personally I'm not a big CQ fan, it think it is monotonous and boring pushing the same stuff each week, racking up points on all my alts to ensure we as a guild win. Its not extremely fun for me. Id much rather be cheevo whoring it up, running HM ops, organizing DvL boss runs, teaching shitters how to raid in 16m SM ops etc. However, I do love this guild, I love playing with just about everyone and I try and bust my ass as an officer of this guild meaning CQ is what I do until we are in a healthy lead that we can switch gears and do other shit. Do not organize over officers when we are trying to push CQ and do shit for CQ many have been gkicked before for it and I'm sure many more will be. So make it easy on us and leave now so we don't have to gkick you when the time comes.
I don't mean to sound like a dick but its absolutely frustrating. If you don't want to do what is necessary for the guild before yourself you are in the wrong guild. I repeat - if you don't want to do what is necessary for the guild before yourself you are in the wrong guild.
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Post by Keta on Mar 20, 2017 18:36:59 GMT -8
I understand your point. I dislike pvp immensely yet I do it to get points up on the board. Let me make this really clear: I'd rather go do yet another Ironman triathlon race completely untrained than do 15 minutes of PvP, and one of those can literally kill you. I do, however, do PVP each week that I'm in game. But there are things people can do if they won't PvP. Even if it's just a few thousand points, they add up. 200 x 10,000 points is 2 MILLION points, and that's not an entire guild roster. Losing by 2700 points is sad. That's 6 war zones (no victories either) by one person. Or 6 basic heroics. 6.
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Post by sparttakus on Mar 20, 2017 18:38:03 GMT -8
Right on Sin. Pubside needs love too.
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Post by Raythull on Mar 20, 2017 18:43:47 GMT -8
Right on ... Support this 110%!
In a couple of war zones, my team faced a full BBB Imp group that beat my team. That ticked me off not because they beat us but they took points from pub2. I went over to Imp side to suggest that they were punching the guild in the face by doing warzones on imp instead of pub side. I usually haven't PVP'd lately. When the game first came out I pvp'd all the time but ever since coming back after a 2-year hiatus, I haven't pvp'd much at all. I started doing it this past week it this past week and realized it's not as bad as I thought even though pub side gets their asses killed a lot. I will do my weekly PVP mission from now on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:47:03 GMT -8
OMG Kim-jong* Siino! (j/k, j/k)
I just love that I get shit like that thrown at me for putting it much less bluntly. As usual though, you have smashed the nail squarely on the head and I <3 you for it.
All that said, we're gonna have a great time on Pub side this week. Let's teach them how to be team players from the get-go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:39:17 GMT -8
IMO this guild sometimes behaves like a pokemon who thinks the officers don't have enough gym badges to tell them what to do
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Post by grimmygrim on Mar 20, 2017 20:34:05 GMT -8
I dont know why others made up excuses, i have never done conquest before and this is my first time playing, and i hated grinding the small 500 point objectives for CQ but when I saw we had the lead on VICE i pushed harder, all I could do was earn the 500 points for heroics and warzone and still i pushed through, but yet there are others who could earn all the big points that i saw and pushed their worries away so I dont know about the others but when the next CQ starts would it be ok for me to ask an officer to help me get settled in with the objectives so I can get the bigger point scores
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Post by Replica on Mar 20, 2017 20:43:18 GMT -8
OMG Kim-jun Siino! (j/k, j/k) I just love that I get shit like that thrown at me for putting it much less bluntly. As usual though, you have smashed the nail squarely on the head and I <3 you for it. All that said, we're gonna have a great time on Pub side this week. Let's teach them how to be team players from the get-go. See, I was so inspired that I'm levelling a new character (my first healer sage) to supplement my Republic forces, straight into Pub 3- and I called her Victoria Braun. (The game won't let me have straight Alice but it'll let me name a character Victoria). Victoria, after a strong English Queen and Braun, after Eva Braun who married Hitler... I wanted the reference without it being so in your face obvious that Bioware looks at my other character names. My main's still Empire side, and that won't change but I'm incredibly protective over Republic side and feel they deserve love and attention so I'll probably try and be more over there, not just next week. I don't want to be on staff at this time (after my last guild and having officer responsibilities and then becoming an officer and all the stress, I think I need a few more months- you guys are amazing) but I do feel a sense of responsibility towards making sure we are just as threatening on Republic side. I want Kai Sith'ari, Vice, Wild Cards and all that to see a Republic BBB PvP premade with pure dread, they are going to lose and they will be farmed, if we have the time in between winning. I want main Republic side BBB members to feel just as important and know when they need the help, it'll be there.
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Post by koolaid on Mar 20, 2017 20:56:49 GMT -8
Great post Siino!
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Post by nzain on Mar 20, 2017 23:14:24 GMT -8
Sad turn of event hope it does not repeat itself. I really love BB with all its virtues and flaws. I have played many MMO's and never have seen such an organized, involved and maintained guild as BBB. Even my son's friend that don't play SWTOR were flabbergasted at the BBB site, event and structured, And they are multi MMO players. Nothing comes easy in life and I appreciate all the work all the officer put into this guild. Yes it is just a game but the hours spent playing, planning, and structuring the guild is not JUST A GAME. Those hours are real life hours that cant be replaced. Thanks and we are with you in making BBB the greatest and baddest guild in SWTOR.
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Post by vvalkarie on Mar 21, 2017 1:52:18 GMT -8
I literally just joined the guild and sacrificed hitting my personal conquest on imp side to try help pub2. Though i got question regarding actual rewards for conquesting is their a place i can read[can#t find it]. Is it done by legacy or per toon ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 4:21:25 GMT -8
I literally just joined the guild and sacrificed hitting my personal conquest on imp side to try help pub2. Though i got question regarding actual rewards for conquesting is their a place i can read[can#t find it]. Is it done by legacy or per toon ? The guild's Conquest Reward system is currently based on the top 10 characters in each guild. We have done legacy contests in the past and may again in the future, but with thousands of members it is extremely time consuming and difficult to calculate legacy scores.
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Post by djay on Mar 21, 2017 7:37:41 GMT -8
NEVER EVER sacrifice your Personal Conquest goals to switch to another guild, or to play the opposing faction. Get your personal done on the characters in the guilds you need the planets for the title. After that, then switch it up and focus on where the help is needed most.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 10:44:31 GMT -8
Some things you need to understand about switching guilds and what rewards/titles you will get at the end of the week: #1 - If you stay in the guild you are in, get your personal goal completed, and wait until after the new conquest week starts on Tuesday, you will receive all in-game conquest rewards (Conqueror title when we conquer the planet, purple jawa scrap, credit token, encryption of your choice, etc).
#2 - If you do not complete your personal goal, you do not get any of those things. If you change guilds after completing your personal goal without completing it again in the new guild, you do not get any of those things.
So... If you need the planet/title of the guild you are in - STAY THERE. We're fine with this and no one will give you any shit for it. If you DON'T need the planet/title of the guild you are in, feel free to switch to another guild to help out! But, if you want your rewards on Tuesday for the week, be sure to complete your personal goal in the NEW guild, even if you completed it in the one you quit to switch guilds.
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